Intuniv for ADHD: Avoid Drug Interactions

by Dr Charles Parker on December 16, 2009 · 80 comments

Intuniv Driving And Watching: Possible Interactions Detailed

 

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Wrong Med Turns

Regular CorePsych Blog readers already know that we don’t like wrong medication turns. Intuniv dosing is important. Intuniv safety has been carefully explored. Maps do help, but watching where we are going is even better. Consider this recent comment from a mother worried about Intuniv and Prozac:

Interaction Question:
Mom asks: It is such a relief to find some information from other parents and doctors who are trying Intuniv as it is such a new medication. My daughter has been taking it for about 6 weeks now. We went very slow on dosing just as you have recommended, and it is working wonders. I will say that she has become more irritable and extremely sleepy. I believe that as she adjusts to the dosage that the irritability goes away. However, we have just increased her dosage to 3mg, so she is still adjusting to the extreme sleepiness.

The doctor we are seeing put her on Prozac for anxiety, but have I read correctly that you would not recommend Prozac with Intuniv? She has been experiencing very strange sleeping patterns. She is either staying awake many hours, going to sleep right away and then waking hours early, or so sleepy she falls asleep around 6PM and sleeps through the night. Considering her sleepiness, the doctor recommended giving her the Intuniv at night and the Prozac in the morning, but this has not been helping. Should we be giving her the Intuniv in the morning despite her sleepiness? Also, would you recommend something other than Prozac for her anxiety.

My Reply:
Thanks for your kind remarks, and, yes, you read it right: Prozac and Paxil [and Luvox] should not be given with Intuniv, they inhibit appropriate metabolism, – interfere with Intuniv being processed by the body correctly. – And do skip the idea, suggested by some, that you should ‘simply use less Intuniv and do use Prozac’ – the drug interaction experts entirely disagree with that incorrect strategy. Good guess, bad idea. icon confused Intuniv for ADHD: Avoid Drug Interactions

Intuniv is a 3A4 substrate, but is not listed on the Prozac and Paxil link just above [is listed as such in the Intuniv PI [package insert]. You will see on this first linked list that they left out guanfacine as a 3A4 substrate, but they did cover the bases with the rest of the inhibitors I just listed. Also, on the induction [making it burn too fast and disappear] side, have to watch Tegretol or Trileptal, as they can both induce Intuniv [cause it to run through to fast requiring higher doses [see the first link], and for those treating bipolar disorder with Intuniv watch for Depakote as a inhibitor as well.

Your girl is very likely accumulating Intuniv by the blockage with Prozac, and is coming out the ‘Top of the Therapeutic Window‘ – with the result that your doc is doing what he/she knows best, changing the dosage time of day to accommodate to the obvious side effect. – Great idea if that basic drug interaction wasn’t the key problem.

In this case I strongly recommend you download and print the above interaction link for your doc, and get off that Prozac. What I find so disconcerting in this interaction scenario: Intuniv gets blamed for this weird reaction, and Prozac [and others noted] are the culprits. I have repeatedly seen this kind of problem with AMP products such as Vyvanse and Adderall for years, as many continue along in denial that the CYP 450 system doesn’t require attention – and the fact that dirty drugs can create significant problems with otherwise clean medications that work very well, if used correctly.

The good meds often get blamed as they are new, and the old dirty ones get off, based simply on familiarity! Sounds like a popularity contest, not science. – Not good form in the context of evolving science – and not implying your doc has any of these attitudes – just reporting they are clearly out there. Please talk to your doc about all these matters.

Drugs that are clean on both 2D6 and 3A4 are Effexor, Pristiq, Lexapro, Celexa, – and Lexapro [see the list] has recently found an FDA approval down to 12 yo. Irritability and sleepiness should go away – but, without knowing more, I would try her just on Intuniv alone before running another med in there, it might work well as a stand alone.

For a very brief ~2 min audio message on this topic: Intuniv at CinchCast -


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Another Oversight
Over at Intuniv Interactions at Drugs.com they simply aren’t looking at the CYP 450 challenges, and are waiting for someone to report these predictable interactions noted here. On a more positive note I do suggest going over there to look at the methylphenidate [Ritalin family] products as they appear to be interacting with Intuniv for some other unexplained reasons. Adderall, Vyvanse and the amphetamines appear clean and not interactive.

What do you readers think? Please drop your comment on these interaction matters when you have a moment-
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I appreciate your raising this question, and have seen no reports or specific concern raised about this issue. As I see it with these alpha 2 agonists the problem is dosage and side effects. Any meds must be titrated carefully and these are, of course antihypertensive meds with the potential for unpredictable hypotensive symptoms/side effects. cp

Amy, When you have that kind of problem i simply stop throwing meds at the person and know the metabolic variables are the problem. She needs a more careful eval, several things could be going on, the good news is that there are no drug interactions between Intuniv and Vyvanse - but you can't get it right because of the IgG very likely. Download Transit time; Do the corn thing, and get the IgG tested, those will likely improve the possibilities. cp

Any thoughts on Intuniv plus fish oil? My son seems to be extra annoying and busy when he takes both. We have had great improvements on the Intuniv though!

Eban, No probs that i know, and just haven't heard about any comments like this elsewhere. When someone is annoying I always take a deep breath and ask myself if they are, for some reason either coming out the top of the window, or somehow just not reacting as well as they should. With Intuniv the top of the window is very often tiredness, not increased annoyance. cp

J White - Yes, one can gain wt on Intuniv, and one can also have a problem with comorbid depression, apathy and indifference with either Concerta or Intuniv. Two quick points to discuss with your doc to see what he/she says - consider a trial of Intuniv at night, perhaps at the next dose up to see if you can get a mix of soporific effect and correction of the ADHD. Secondly go over with your guy the possibility of cognitive depression - a Clint Eastwood apathy that needs medical attention... and this other thot comes to mind: trial of Vyvanse low dose with Intuniv for a more rounded ADHD response if that is the predominant comorbid picture. This is one of those with too many unknowns to give a clear rec for your docs consideration - but these are some trial thots. cp

Dr. Parker, My son who is 11 and in 6th grade was on Concerta for 4 years and it helped him greatly in school and socially. He did have sleep issues and weight gain was a big issue. In June I took him of mess and then started 1 mg of Intuniv and a month later 2 mg. He had some bed wetting at first and that went away. I give it to him in the am before school. He is doing well in school and wants to stay on Intuniv because he likes eating and is more himself. He is tired in the afternoons and has some issue concentrating in the afternoons to study or do activities. Some difficulty with sustained attention completing math assignments and tests but he is a very good student. On the weekends he gets very grumpy and does not want to spend much time on homework and projects. Today he told me he has been waking around 4 am every day sometimes going back to sleep. I am not sure if the intuniv is wearing off and he is underdosed or if this is just a side effect. This may explain the grumpiness and attention issues. He has also gained 18 pounds sine June (64lbs to 82 lbs which is now an average weight). I also wonder if there are weight gain concerns for kids on Intuniv.? Seems the opposite of my old concerns on Concerta. Julie

Lisa, The fact that he has been on meds since pre-school is often a big sign of immune dysregulation. Added to the history of multiple med trials I would jump on searching for the data on immune system dysregulation with IgG... qualitative not quantitative. If your doc doesn't agree we can get it done long distance, no prob. cp

Melissa, Yours is a prime example of a moving therapeutic window based upon metabolic variables. Highly likely you won't find a consistent dose as his metabolic changes keep the window moving. Do a Transit Time, look at immune dysfunction, check out the IgG and tighten up on those details first - the predictability arrives! cp

Dr. Parker,  My son is 11 and has ADHD. He has been on some sort of meds since he was 3 and in preschool. Currently, and for the last few years he has been taking concerta, 54 mg and clonidine and risperdal at night. Will Intuniv help him during the day along with the concerta? He occasionally takes a ritalin bump during the day, but he forgets to go to the nurse to get it, and he still has problems focusing in at class. Thanks, Lisa Teach4lisa!@aol.com

My son has been on Intuniv for over a year and half now.  We started out at 1mg, quickly titrated to 2mg.  This was good for a few months, but slowly his aggitation creeped back in.  I always suspected anxiety as the culprit for his irritable behavior.  We then gave hm 3mg and that mde him not himself...saying things ghe shouldn't, behaving oddly, more impulsive, sleeping a lot.  So we bumped him back to a dose of 2mg and a half of 1mg for a desired dose of 2.5mg.  BINGO!  So this lasted another 3 months and we were back to the aggiation creeping back in.  This happened until now, at 3.5mg, he again is presentling with this aggiation.  When he starts a new dose, he does beautifully for some time, but then bam!  We finally got an additional diagnosis of Anxiety along with his ADHD.  I always suspecyed this.  We stared him on 2mg of liquid suspension Lexapro.  It has only been 2 days and we notice a dramatic difference in his behavior.  I worry about this medication (Lexapro) as he is only 7 1/2 and 55 pounds.  Is Lexapro ok to use in such a young child?  What should I look out for in terms of behavior changes?  How long before we know this med is right for him? Thanks for this great question and answer forum!  You have helped me in the past.  I look forward to your reply. :) Melissa

Janet, Sorry to be so late getting back, busy with a relaunch of my book, will be on Amazon and Nook etc, so behind the scenes has been a big summer hectic. Prozac, as you know from reading here, is simply not the best choice with Intuniv simply because of the 3A4 interaction. Just pick another antidepressant, for $ sake would rec your doc try Celexa - it's safe, more clean on drug interactions, has miles of child and adolescent use, and will keep that Intuniv from accumulating... very likely what is going on. One can never of course be sure out here on the Internet without an exam, but that is a common interaction, not frequently appreciated, that's why I wrote about it. cp

Dr. Parker My son is 10 years old and has Asperger Syndrome.  He has been on many meds, one of those being prozac.  He has been on this drug since he was around 5.  He is now taking 6mg of Intunive and 30mg of prozac.  Then at night he takes .3 Clonidine and 4 1/2mg of melatonin to fall alseep.  His behavior started getting worse again this summer.  He will for no reason become so irritable and just start screaming at us over everything.  It is like a switch flips in him at 2:00 or so every day.  His OCD has become worse than ever and he is performing morning and evening rituals with lights and fans being turned on and off.  It is as if he doesn't hear us anymore sometimes.  I took him back to the neurologist who we love and he wants to increase the prozac again.  After reading your blog and information from other parents, I am really confused.  My son has to have meds to function at school but I don't want him doped up and cause more problems.  We sent our doc your link to look at but have not heard back yet.  What would be your recommendations?  We live in a small town in Kentucky and it is SOOO hard to find someone like you who is so knowledgeable about meds and interactions.  Our doc has been great in trying to help my son but as a parent I am constantly searching for ways to help him.  What would you do?  Thanks 

Dr.Parker, I think this was what I was looking for when I asked you about a sudden death interaction between Intuniv and Concerta. You wrote up above: "Another Oversight Over at Intuniv Interactions at Drugs.com they simply aren’t looking at the CYP 450 challenges, and are waiting for someone to report these predictable interactions noted here. On a more positive note I do suggest going over there to look at the methylphenidate [Ritalin family] products as they appear to be interacting with Intuniv for some other unexplained reasons. Adderall, Vyvanse and the amphetamines appear clean and not interactive. So I clicked on the Link and it said this: http://www.drugs.com/drug-interactions/concerta-with-intuniv-1606-976-1219-13992.html "According to the manufacturer, serious adverse events have been reported during concomitant use of methylphenidate with clonidine. The mechanism of interaction, if any, is unknown, and a causal relationship has not been established. The use of clonidine, with or without methylphenidate, has been associated with rare cases of SUDDEN DEATH and cardiotoxicity including sinus bradycardia and heart block." But it is saying Clonidine, maybe I am not reading this right, could you help me understand this? You can click on the link above to read the whole thing. My son has been on this combo for 5 days now. Thanks, Denise

I am just finding your website and the fact that prozac may not be a good mix with vyvanse. I have been on prozac 60mg for years and my doc just put me on 60mg vyvanse. I've been on both for about two weeks now and feel fine so far,...but should I be doing something else?

Lindsay, Watch it carefully. Over time... usually in the first 3 mos, sometimes up to 6 mos, the problems with irritation, overt anger and decreased concentration arise. May be as subtle as arguing more, may be as obvious as throwing chairs. cp

Thank you for your quick response. I called and asked my doc and she said there shouldn't be any interactions (this through messages, you can never talk directly to the doc unless you make an appointment I feel). Thats not what I understand from you and from drugs.com. I'm a littl worried, should I be more aggressive? I have been having really bad headaches off and on and get really really cold in the evenings. Could these be symptoms? Again, thank you so much for your reply, you must be crazy busy!

Lindsay, Quite natural response, many don't, at this time, think it's a potential problem or I'm sure she wouldn't have written it. I have several links to refs thruout the blog, have seen it hundreds of times, and yet know with the polymorphisms of 2D6 the presentation is variable - common, but varies in time of onset. Other symptoms not likely related. cp

Your blog was helpful. I am a child psychiatrist who tries to keep track of these cytochrome P450 interactions (which I don't believe existed when I was in medical school over forty years ago.) Still, I am told that with a few important exceptions, like say using depakote and lamictal together, often you can adjust one of the doses and do just fine with, say, fluoxetine and guanfacine. Still, it is better to be safe, and Lexapro would be a good option if one really feels they need to add another medicine to the intuniv. Keep up the good work!

Dr Nick, Many thanks for your kind remarks - quite agree that those interactions often at first appear of little consequence. Having watched these issues for many years and lived downstream of similar thots with longer term interactions... I simply decided to follow the books, and have been more successful with predictable outcomes. Predictability becomes more consistent, and even more fun. Thanks again! cp

Can you link me to the pdf of the package insert for intuniv that shows and explains why it should not be taken with prozac? I can't seem to locate it...I had found the guide for adderall and vyvanse, but not for intuniv or prozac. One of my students with Aspergers (mild) is currently taking the two medicines, (don't know about timing though) and I would like to be able to give the parents the necessary information to know and understand that this is not a good combination. The child (9 yrs) falls asleep regularly at school, the time varies, and the family does not have much of a structure routine at home. So whether it's a result of poor scheduling or side effects, I'm not sure -- but either way, I would just like to be able to pass this information on to them. I did follow the links in your post above, but was unable to locate the information in the way it needs to be presented. Thank you, Julia

Julia, It doesn't say it in the insert, I am reporting this based upon my experience using Prozac for a variety of meds from birth control [a CYP 3A4 substrate] to Adderall, and it backs them up over time... not right out of the box, but down the road, thereby appearing mysterious. See my notes here: comment #56 on this post. Hope this helps... do check out the links added here so you can chase down the specific details. cp

My son is 7 and currently taking 20 mg of Fluoxetine, 4 mg Intuniv, and 10 mg of Abilify. Overall his mood is more stable, the anxiety is much better, and he is able to focus better. However, we are experiencing tiredness and periods of extreme irritability followed by days of rages. During these periods his impulsiveness is increased - verbally and physically. We are working with a team we trust, however, I welcome your opinion on the current drug interactions, levels, and behaviors? Thank you.

Lee, As I indicated in this post, the Prozac will likely cause a backup of the Intuniv and create a situation in which the dose cannot be successfully adjusted. Thus the need for Abilify. For starters do take a look at the interaction links provided here, go to your doc for a cleaner antidepressant [Celexa, Lexapro, Effexor, Zoloft - most of those are off label for 7 yo - but better in the end whilst paying attention to the CYP 450 science]. A child on 10 mg Abilify at 7 needs neurotransmitter testing for the long haul. cp

Hi, My son is ten and has had an qeeg and neuro testing done. He has ADD, ODD and a little ocd along with a little bit of tics. He has a casein intolerance and doesn't metabolize proteins well so we were given enzymes along with amino acids and vit B12 and magnesium suppliments to give him. That didn't improve his well being so we tried Ritalin. Wayyy to overfocused so we stoped that. I had a feeling it wasn't a good idea. He has been on Intuniv now for almost two months, we are up to 2mg a day which i recently started giving at night. He is on very skinny but eats well and is also very pale looking. He is fair skinned by nature but since he started taking intuniv he's got dark circles and has been having some side effects. The doctor said down the road we should try introducing vyannse (sp?) He is weepy at times, crying very easily, he feels dizzy and says he doesn't feel well. I notice that he just sort of seems a little lost. He said that in class yesterday he was asked to read and a word came up that he knew but he confused it and said a completely different word. Could it be lowering his cognition? He suffers from anxiety as well. My irrational concern is that he will grow up and self medicate and become addicted as there is a strong gene in my family for alcoholism. What med direction should i be going in? Stims seem to not be good for him and his emotional state is unstable meaning he cannot control his anger and frustration which also runs in the family.

Hi , sorry also, the intuniv seems to have brought on his tics again. I also forgot to mention that the Qeeg said that he could strongly benefit from stimulant med and possibly a mood stabilzer. I think the doctor is trying the safest route before getting into the stabilzers...

Darla, If our friend Intuniv is creating problems he very likely has a comorbid immune disorder - really have to focus on the gut, qEEG is great if the gut is working. Just like SPECT it is an expensive waste of time pharmacologically speaking if the foundation for his neurophysiologic house is built on shifting sands. cp

Dr Parker, I just had to respond to both you and to Darla. I posted a question to you on here back in January when the doc added Intuniv to my son's regimen of Focalin XR and Depakote. The Intuniv ended up being a disaster but I think we were headed for disaster anyway. But Darla's mention of her son's casein intolerance and your mention of his gut is why I am posting again. My 13 yo son had been on meds of all kinds and combination since he was 5yo. Long story short, new doctor last winter, new course of treatment. We did stool and gene testing through Enterolab. Discovered he had malabsorption issues and that he carried the genes [reviewed in this CorePsych Blog Post] for both Celiac disease AND gluten intolerance. We have no known family history for either so this wouldn't have been obvious to any mainstream doctor I feel. In retrospect it explains some health issues my husband has. So, since January he has been gluten/dairy/corn free and with doctor supervised supplement program of APEX products to support his brain health and function, we have gotten him completely off ALL his medications. He is healthier both physically and mentally than he has been since he was 5. I so appreciate you mentioning the gut issue. I had no idea how pertinent gut health was to brain health. I thank God everyday for finding us a doctor that practices these theories. And I would strongly recommend myself, as a non-medical professional but as a mom who has tried it all, that Darla further explore her son's possible food intolerances and gut health.

Kari, Thanks for your support and weighing in on the issue of evidence and science. Once the evidence is on the table the entire process can become less mysterious! I linked to a previous CorePsych Blog post in your comment for those who may have a problem with HLA DQ 2/8 testing for the genetic factors. cp

So he was doing better after a while on intuniv 2mg. We had to go generic because of cost. He takes 1mg of gaunfacine (tenex?) two times a day. It's been a week and he has been dealing with horrible anxiety, he had a panic attack the other night. Begged me to take him to the doctors he thought he was going to die. He couldn't breathe. He has had labored breathing all week. Calling dctr tomorrow to make appt for wenesday per dcts orders if this didn't stop by MOnday (tomorrow). It the dose to low? It's the same stuff as intuniv so im thinking he needs 2 mg in am and pm instead of 1mg? Also, if i were to readdress an immune issue, what doctor should i have him see? He has been on gluten free casein free and it didn't seem to help at all. About six months ago when we had all his labs run his thyroid did come back slightly low and then normal after retesting. What immune issue do you think it could be? And what doctor should I pursue to find out further info? And will it help? Do you have experience with immune system issues and them getting treated, eliminating the need for meds? His behavior is similar to my brothers when we were children, high anxiety anger issues. Now my brother has hypothyroidism and is an alcoholic. Could it all be from an immune issue?

Darla, I could be from an immune issue, yes. But I hesitate [never ;-)] provide categorical answers as everyone is too complex for platitudes. Testing is the answer, is easily available, and IgG would be the place to start. If that doesn't provide sufficient answers then Metametrix review is next as recommended the Testing Options page. Dosage etc should be handled by your local doc, in practice - not in theory from this distance. cp

Darla, From my own experience as a mom I can tell you that changing the diet can take at least 6 months if not longer before you see results. There were many times in the beginning of our change when I wanted to give up because it was SO much work and we were seeing No benefit. I also will say though that true benefit didn't come until I was able to take him off all his medication in conjunction with the diet and other natural supplement supports as recommended by our doctor. Especially given your mention of your brother, I would recommend you check out www.thyroidbook.com as they have a way on the site to search for a practitioner in your area that works based on all these theories. Good luck.

Thanks Kari/ Dr. Parker, I was just revisiting your posts. It amazes me how sometimes i am myself so hyper focused on some issues that I miss really important points that are posted. Thank you for both postings,very helpful. We are back to getting his diet in check again.. for good this time! Although it overwhelms me, as I am not the most talented cook. It feels like i'm learning a new language! So i can't find my sons folder at the moment that holds all his medical info, but I wonder if that test HLA DQ 2/8 testing would be worth while. He had amino acid, peptide testing done. I'm not sure if I'm writing this all out correctly so hopefully enough so that you know what I mean. He had a big casein intolerance and a lesser gluten intolerance. Should I test for the HLA DQ 2/8? Or is it likely that he maybe had Celiac? His amino acids were low do to poor absorption of protein from the gluten and casein issue. We have all the supplements that he needs from our current little team of doctors helping us. Would contacting a doctor that Kari recommended help? We tried the diet and supplements but maybe not long enough? It was only a few months of it and to be honest the diet was even less because we thought it should be quicker. He's on 3 mg of intuniv this week and very tired and crying easily. Maybe I should be getting in touch with a specialist in immune systems?? Not sure. Our doctor is a a physch who believes in the biological reasons of things, thus why we did the testing and supplements. We have spent a lot of money and still owe on various testing. Have we done it all? And if we haven't, do we know enough to say well he can't eat Gluten and casein, so what more do we need to know? Isn't that the bottom line anyways?? Thanks again!

Darla, Without seeing the tests specifically it is hard to say, but it appears that you have plenty of info to get a good start. Forget celiac, gluten sensitivity and casein is quite enough to get started on those diets. Search here at CorePsych Blog on Gluten and Casein and follow those many links to great sites for more info on diets, and do look at the CorePsych Books on Brain and Immunity for many good references. The big trick, just get started, and then supplements and recovery will all be able to work. Without the diet you will be shooting blanks for many more months/years. cp

My 10 yr old adhd daughter who also suffers from anxiety and oppositinal disorder has been taking intuniv and fluoxitane together. She has been on this drug treatment for 2 months and has gained 8lbs. She is hungry constantly. After having her on a stimulant for 4 years and not eating much this is a huge change. Any feedback would be appreciated. We go back to her med Doctor in Aug.

Maribeth, Prozac, as you know from these pages is my least favorite antidepressant on so many levels - including the 3A4 interaction spelled out here. I would suggest a change with the Prozac based upon your work with your doc there. Celexa is off label for 10, but is cleaner by far than Prozac and is generic - suggest your doc thinks about 1/2 = 5mg to start and watch for the Kelsey scale to evaluate response. See this CorePsych Post and comments for details on the Kelsey Scale. cp

I child I take care of is 6 years old. Has Autism and ADHD. Has been taking Abilify 15ml daily for the Autism. Recently started on Intuniv. Was ordered to take 1 mg daily x 7 days, then 2 mg daily x 7 days then 3 mg q d. After taking the 1mg dose 4 days he had a episode of uncontrolled crying that escaladed to a full meltdown. Thought this was just his Autism but then after taking 2 days of of the 2mg he had a major meltdown and the doctor said to increase the intuniv to 3mg. 3rd and 4th day later he began to cry for no apparrent reason. Seems to have these crying episodes a couple of hours before he is to take his dose of Intuniv. His sleep pattern has changed also. Are these crying episode related to the Intuniv and is this something that will continue? Does he need change of med or dosage change

Ronda, Significant problems like this with complicated kids such as those with ASD and ADHD really require careful review with your doc. I always treat these comorbid conditions with a less aggressive titration strategy because so many do have these unpredictable reactions. It is quite likely that the Intuniv is associated with the regressions based upon this recommended and approved dosage strategy, but these kids are just more sensitive to standard med increases - and really need more specific measurement of neurotransmitters in the first place if challenges like this continue. cp

Good morning, my son has adhd and pretty close to a full blown odd diagnosis. He has been on concerta until end of January when we started with intuniv. at this point he is only taking 3mg. I have 17 mg of concerta to supplement the intuniv but I am very anxious about giving it to him. any thoughts? He is going to be twelve in July, and has gained about 15 pounds since we took him off stimulants. He has pushed through the extreme exhaustion but is tired a lot. I like intuniv in that he does not have the crazy rebound behavior and his impulsive behaviors are much better. His focus and attention however are not.

Robin, This is a common finding, and when you say 'odd,' I increasingly start thinking about neurotransmitter measurements. Also you could take a look at this CorePsych Blog posting on Intuniv Dosing to help with the issue of finding the correct Therapeutic Window with Intuniv. No drug interaction to worry about, as noted in this post. My favorite combo, if needed is Vyvanse, but all those details must be left to you and your doc - and because he is so sensitive [odd] I would go very carefully with the Vyvanse as seen in the Water Titration post from way back in '07. Best, cp

NOT SURE WHAT YOU ARE SAYING WITH THE NEUROTRANSMITTER MEASUREMENTS.

Robin, Take a look at this Neuroscience page - and start by downloading the first pdf file right at the top, read that and you will get it. cp

Dr Parker, I have just reviewed your utube videos discussing the 3 types of ADHD, and I totally agree with your with your model that the mainstream diagnosis is based upon desriptors not the actual science going on in the brain. With that said, I believe my son has both the anxiety piece and the leave me alone piece with the exception of he is extremley social kid and thrives. I am struggling at home as well as he has become in this shoty time (a behavior problem). I have for many months struggled with adding focaline 10mg with his intunive dose. He just started yesterday any thoughts. I am slo concerned overall because he is an athlete who participates in intensive physical workouts so I am cocnerned with his cardiac health. any thoughts.

Robin, Often many improve with the combo: mixing specific stimulants with Intuniv. No contraindications from drug interaction, and no challenge with sports, except to document that sympathetic tone increases may create an increase in heart rate that rarely needs specific medical attention. As with any drug some awareness of side effects is useful, but there are no global contraindications in the literature for exercise with stimulants cp

My son is taking Intuniv he is currently taking the 3 mg dose in the am with breakfast. he seems to fall asleep if he is sitting in the car or just sitting in a chair for a while when he is up he seems ok but as soon as he is sitting he is out.it has been about a month since he has been taking the intuniv . how long does this medication take to show improvement of the side affects and how safe is this drug ?. there is not much known about this medication. my son has a blood pressure of 100/58 is that too low for a 14 year old to have he weighs 170 and is 6' tall.

Raquel, Sounds like he is out the Top of the Window as far as I can tell from this brief note. I would discuss with your doc backing down to 2 mg even tho he is a big guy. The safety in studies is quite good, with low blood pressure only about 2% more than placebo. It's a drug that could remotely cause HBP, but the main issue as you present it is the soporific effect, which is very likely dose related. One month is sufficient time to check for side effects, and for adjustment to dosage, so considering dropping the dose would be in order. Hope it works, keep us posted. cp

I am currently taking Paxil for anxiety and Adderall for ADD. I have already had a seizure related to serotonin syndrome and now I am ''sweating" all day after taking the Adderall. I have not had this problem before and am wondering if Paxil is the culprit and I should change meds?

Angie, Strongly recommend to your doc you change antidepressants. Just Search 2D6 here and see all the postings and links on how challenging this problem can become if not corrected. Also here: which ones work best with Adderall. cp

Dear Dr. Parker- After our correspondence, I worked with our doc and took my son off Intuniv due to the interaction with Luvox (extreme fatigue). We need to give Luvox a chance, because his OCD is most problematic socially. He weaned off Zoloft now that the Luvox is up to 150 mg., so he's only on Luvox. However, now he's pretty hyper at school & is having trouble focusing. In your opinion, what if any stimulant meds would be good to try? He had some success a year or so ago with Adderall & then Focalin (but seemed to build a tolerance?). He has OCD/A.D.D./trichotillomania, and Tourette's which is waning (stim meds haven't caused tics when tried previously). Thanks!

Mk, Sounds like you are on the right track. No interactions between either MPH or AMP products with Luvox. My preference from years of experience is always the AMP products if no problems occur, and Vyvanse, as you will see from just a brief tour of CorePsych Blog, is my favorite choice, titrated carefully with any challenging presentation. A counterproductive bounce on that combo inevitably will confirm my first impression: that Neurotransmitter testing would be helpful to adjust matters regardless. Complex presentations always encourage a more careful review - and with the success I am having in my office using that testing, I predict all informed psychopharmacologists will be using NT testing in 4-5 yrs - it just makes practical sense, provides more useful evidence, and obviates years of messing around with guessing at intervention possibilities. cp

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