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	<title>Comments on: ADD/ADHD Treatment Notes: More on Vyvanse</title>
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		<title>By: Dr Charles Parker</title>
		<link>http://www.corepsychblog.com/2007/11/addadhd-treatment-notes-more-on-vyvanse/comment-page-1/#comment-4204</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr Charles Parker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 10:10:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Denise, 
Amphetamine products and methylphenidate products can both show tic side effects. Often these side effects can be modified by using &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.corepsychblog.com/2009/11/intuniv-for-adhd-dosing-details/&quot;&gt;Intuniv with the Vyvanse&lt;/a&gt;, but quite often require their own set of separate intervention strategies - including going off the stimulants, and obtaining clear neurotransmitter biomarker results. 

That neurotransmitter information has proved useful in many children with tic disorder. Most commonly seen as you would suppose, an increase in excitatory neurotransmitters and significant immune dysfunction - casein is an antigen often associated, as is gluten. If you don&#039;t look you can&#039;t see.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Denise,<br />
Amphetamine products and methylphenidate products can both show tic side effects. Often these side effects can be modified by using <a href="http://www.corepsychblog.com/2009/11/intuniv-for-adhd-dosing-details/">Intuniv with the Vyvanse</a>, but quite often require their own set of separate intervention strategies &#8211; including going off the stimulants, and obtaining clear neurotransmitter biomarker results. </p>
<p>That neurotransmitter information has proved useful in many children with tic disorder. Most commonly seen as you would suppose, an increase in excitatory neurotransmitters and significant immune dysfunction &#8211; casein is an antigen often associated, as is gluten. If you don&#8217;t look you can&#8217;t see.<br />
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		<title>By: Denise Claude</title>
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		<dc:creator>Denise Claude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 20:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Theresa, My name is Denise and my son has experienced the same issues with the tics on Vyvanse, i was wondering if you have talked to any representation to see what your options were about this unfamiliar severe side affect. I would appreciate it if you would get back to me asap.  Thank you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Theresa, My name is Denise and my son has experienced the same issues with the tics on Vyvanse, i was wondering if you have talked to any representation to see what your options were about this unfamiliar severe side affect. I would appreciate it if you would get back to me asap.  Thank you!</p>
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		<title>By: Dr Charles Parker</title>
		<link>http://www.corepsychblog.com/2007/11/addadhd-treatment-notes-more-on-vyvanse/comment-page-1/#comment-2843</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr Charles Parker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kim, 
Hard call without more info. Yes, your observation could be the case, and if the antidepressant was recently raised that could be the issue. However, in addition review the DOE as all stimulants when topped out tend to cause irritation, esp. AMPs.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kim,<br />
Hard call without more info. Yes, your observation could be the case, and if the antidepressant was recently raised that could be the issue. However, in addition review the DOE as all stimulants when topped out tend to cause irritation, esp. AMPs.<br />
cp</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 01:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DR. Parker,   Thank you for your reply that confirms what we thought was correct. Today my child came home and told us he experienced anger like he has never felt before and it scarred him.  We are aware that the depression medication being taken could have this side effect and should be reported .  We are concerned and want to know if it should be continued?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DR. Parker,   Thank you for your reply that confirms what we thought was correct. Today my child came home and told us he experienced anger like he has never felt before and it scarred him.  We are aware that the depression medication being taken could have this side effect and should be reported .  We are concerned and want to know if it should be continued?</p>
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		<title>By: Dr Charles Parker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr Charles Parker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 01:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kim,
Sleep can be side effect at the outset - and whenever that happens I drop back to a diminished dose - use the water titration to go to 1/4 the dose by dividing the single cap into 4 oz, and then 1 oz/day.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kim,<br />
Sleep can be side effect at the outset &#8211; and whenever that happens I drop back to a diminished dose &#8211; use the water titration to go to 1/4 the dose by dividing the single cap into 4 oz, and then 1 oz/day.<br />
cp</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 00:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Parker,  We are new to using Vyvance for our child. We are on day four, starting with 1/2 titration. He has no problem going to sleep but is waking up at around 4 A.M. and now has difficult time returning to sleep.  Sleeping was not a problem prior. This is of course catching up with him at school being sleepy at end of day. Is this temporary?   Any suggestions?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Parker,  We are new to using Vyvance for our child. We are on day four, starting with 1/2 titration. He has no problem going to sleep but is waking up at around 4 A.M. and now has difficult time returning to sleep.  Sleeping was not a problem prior. This is of course catching up with him at school being sleepy at end of day. Is this temporary?   Any suggestions?</p>
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		<title>By: Dr Charles Parker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr Charles Parker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 10:14:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aviv,
Yes, always low and slow with stimulant meds. No harm, better, more predictable outcomes, awareness of metabolic rates, better titration accuracy using the DOE.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aviv,<br />
Yes, always low and slow with stimulant meds. No harm, better, more predictable outcomes, awareness of metabolic rates, better titration accuracy using the DOE.<br />
cp</p>
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		<title>By: aviv</title>
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		<dc:creator>aviv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 20:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i suggest to all the first time u taking a pill is to take it very small bit from it and see what happened
and then a bigger one cos i did take the smallest Ritalin pill  [10mg] and got over-focus for 4 DAYS!
and then 2 weeks with lite effectiveness from it</description>
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and then a bigger one cos i did take the smallest Ritalin pill  [10mg] and got over-focus for 4 DAYS!<br />
and then 2 weeks with lite effectiveness from it</p>
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		<title>By: Dr Charles Parker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr Charles Parker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 13:52:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kati
Very unusual, as your ped says, that it would continue. Some tic reactions do occur, are not common, and his appears to be most unusual in severity. Testing before treatment would very likely not have turned up any indication that would warn anyone that this tic disorder was a possibility.

Other contributory, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.childbrain.com/ticdisorder.shtml#4&quot;&gt;mitigating circumstances&lt;/a&gt; might be picky eating, poor breakfasts, immune system dysfunction [bowel issues], depression and possibly genetic predisposition.

Re intervention possibilities:
1. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.corepsychblog.com/useful-references/&quot;&gt;Neurotransmitter precursor measurement and targeted treatment&lt;/a&gt; - not a med, amino acids, I would jump on this right away because of the safety factor and some reports that severe tics have responded after years of poor response.
2. Tenex [guanfacine] and the new drug coming out by &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2009-05/pn-si051809.php&quot;&gt;Shire: Intuniv, &lt;/a&gt; [a time release Tenex] has been helpful in tic disorder with some people - [more than simply for oppositional folks - doesn&#039;t sound like he is oppositional]. Intuniv is indicated for treatment of ADHD in children and will likely be launched this fall. Tenex is available now.
3. Neurofeedback: Exceedingly good outcomes - in our office we have regularly seen complete resolution of tic disorder with NFB.

In complex presentations I would expect to use all three of these interventions. 
This problem is highly likely to be resolved, - just a matter of getting on it.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kati<br />
Very unusual, as your ped says, that it would continue. Some tic reactions do occur, are not common, and his appears to be most unusual in severity. Testing before treatment would very likely not have turned up any indication that would warn anyone that this tic disorder was a possibility.</p>
<p>Other contributory, <a href="http://www.childbrain.com/ticdisorder.shtml#4">mitigating circumstances</a> might be picky eating, poor breakfasts, immune system dysfunction [bowel issues], depression and possibly genetic predisposition.</p>
<p>Re intervention possibilities:<br />
1. <a href="http://www.corepsychblog.com/useful-references/">Neurotransmitter precursor measurement and targeted treatment</a> &#8211; not a med, amino acids, I would jump on this right away because of the safety factor and some reports that severe tics have responded after years of poor response.<br />
2. Tenex [guanfacine] and the new drug coming out by <a href="http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2009-05/pn-si051809.php">Shire: Intuniv, </a> [a time release Tenex] has been helpful in tic disorder with some people &#8211; [more than simply for oppositional folks - doesn't sound like he is oppositional]. Intuniv is indicated for treatment of ADHD in children and will likely be launched this fall. Tenex is available now.<br />
3. Neurofeedback: Exceedingly good outcomes &#8211; in our office we have regularly seen complete resolution of tic disorder with NFB.</p>
<p>In complex presentations I would expect to use all three of these interventions.<br />
This problem is highly likely to be resolved, &#8211; just a matter of getting on it.<br />
cp</p>
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		<title>By: Kati</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kati</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 20:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Parker:

My son was put on Vyvanse by our pediatrician, which we are considering leaving, after having discussions with her, to get her advice with input I was getting from teachers at school on my son who was in the 4/5 grade.  His grades were honor roll grades, always, but I was told continuously that he was distracted, couldn&#039;t concentrate, and was distracting other student due to him not sitting still and wanting to chat.  My pediatrician prescribed Vyvanse without any suggestion of seeing any other for a diagnosis.    We&#039;ve seen her for years and I had a significant amount of trust in this doctor.  My son seemed to be much &quot;calmer&quot; on the medicine, but also seemed to go into a &quot;dark&quot; place after being on this medicine for 4 months or so.  We went from the 30 mg. to 20 mg.  Shortly after switching, SUDDENLY, he developed a motor tic and then some facial tics.  NEVER, in is 11 years had there been any signs of any tics at all.  NOTHING!  He was a great athlete, full of energy, and literally, one night, I hear him upstairs in his room saying a cursing over and over.  I was beside myself.  I had not heard from school, I assumed nothing was happening.  Turns out, that same day, his teacher said he yelled out in class.   Something he had never done.  Needless to say, he has been taken off the medication, and has been off of it for some 5 months now.  Most all tics FINALLY went away.  However, now he has a motor tic that has resurfaced as well as a motor tic, no cursing this time, just repeating things over.  Our pediatrician indicated that it was likely caused by Vyvanse and that it &quot;should&quot; go away.  Any thoughts on how long we can expect these tics to continue?  It has not effected his grades at all, but his has effected is confidence and also his athletic ability as he is unable to adequately focus due to his head tic, which often times causes SEVERE headaches.

Thanks so much for your thoughts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Parker:</p>
<p>My son was put on Vyvanse by our pediatrician, which we are considering leaving, after having discussions with her, to get her advice with input I was getting from teachers at school on my son who was in the 4/5 grade.  His grades were honor roll grades, always, but I was told continuously that he was distracted, couldn&#8217;t concentrate, and was distracting other student due to him not sitting still and wanting to chat.  My pediatrician prescribed Vyvanse without any suggestion of seeing any other for a diagnosis.    We&#8217;ve seen her for years and I had a significant amount of trust in this doctor.  My son seemed to be much &#8220;calmer&#8221; on the medicine, but also seemed to go into a &#8220;dark&#8221; place after being on this medicine for 4 months or so.  We went from the 30 mg. to 20 mg.  Shortly after switching, SUDDENLY, he developed a motor tic and then some facial tics.  NEVER, in is 11 years had there been any signs of any tics at all.  NOTHING!  He was a great athlete, full of energy, and literally, one night, I hear him upstairs in his room saying a cursing over and over.  I was beside myself.  I had not heard from school, I assumed nothing was happening.  Turns out, that same day, his teacher said he yelled out in class.   Something he had never done.  Needless to say, he has been taken off the medication, and has been off of it for some 5 months now.  Most all tics FINALLY went away.  However, now he has a motor tic that has resurfaced as well as a motor tic, no cursing this time, just repeating things over.  Our pediatrician indicated that it was likely caused by Vyvanse and that it &#8220;should&#8221; go away.  Any thoughts on how long we can expect these tics to continue?  It has not effected his grades at all, but his has effected is confidence and also his athletic ability as he is unable to adequately focus due to his head tic, which often times causes SEVERE headaches.</p>
<p>Thanks so much for your thoughts.</p>
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